Pakistani atheists being a drama queen

A very interesting thing I noticed this year on Eid ul Azha was Pakistani atheists crying about the bloodshed and ‘barbaric’ slaughter of animals. The first thought that came to my mind was that, are they vegetarians? If not then what’s the point of blaming this occasion alone for animal slaughter? Aren’t animals slaughtered and then consumed generally worldwide? And how do they feel when they are eating chicken, beef or any other sort of meat which is apparently obtained after SLAUGHTERING an animal. Or is it just another reason to insult Islam? Even more interesting fact was that MOST OF THEM (on twitter/Facebook) were crying about this same issue, probably none of them either tried to think unbiased or, were purposely trying to slander Islam.

Everyday thousands of animals are slaughtered and then consumed all over the world. So why specifically are they pointing out Eid ul Azha? I saw some of them saying that animals are killed openly on streets or slaughter houses so that’s heart breaking. But if they don’t want to see it, why can’t they just stay at home and not see it happening. I personally have never seen Qurbani happening because I can’t see an animal die that’s why I prefer not to see it, and as a result I am not disturbed by this whole thing. I am a meat eater but thankfully not a hypocrite who eats meat normally not thinking about how this animal died for me to eat, but cry for animals dying on Eid ul Azha just because it’s a muslim ritual.

I briefly talked to one of the atheists after I saw him saying that Hajj is a barbaric ritual, I asked him, why he thinks like that? He said: “To kill an animal for the pleasure of who… Allah”. I thought don’t we kill and eat animals for our own pleasure? i said to him that if you are a vegetarian then i can understand your sentiments about animals otherwise don’t people eat meat of a slaughtered animal normally? If u have sympathy with animals then talk in general, muslim/non-muslim they all eat meat then why blame hajj 4 slaughtering animals? He didn’t reply to me because apparently he didn’t have an explanation to give. His job of bashing Islam was done and nothing more was left to clarify.

I am personally not against atheists and I am all for humanity and equality, but their false Drama Queen Type arguments enrage me. These type of people are an atheist version of Jamat-e-islami, to me they are no less than Drama Queen Mullahs who blame everything on Jews, Hindus etc. hypocritically. I just want to say to them that, next time guys if you want to argue against Islam come up with something more “intelligent” and not something stupid like “well slaughtering an animal normally is okay, but on a muslim occasion… it is very barbaric”.

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14 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. The Only Normal Person Here.
    Nov 29, 2011 @ 22:47:37

    Though I am religion heathen but I agree with what you said. Not to mention the yummy turkey on thanksgiving … no articles on the killing of lovely birds. Thats so bad

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    • amerbail
      Dec 01, 2011 @ 00:51:25

      There’s nothing wrong with being an atheist or a religion heathen as you said, it’s your personal choice but i think it’s also important to respect others’ beliefs. Just because you don’t believe in religion doesn’t mean you start insulting it every possible chance you get. That’s what i see most Pakistani atheists doing (of-course not all of them) but still most of them i think are like that. Anyways thanks for reading the post 🙂

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  2. amerbail
    Mar 10, 2012 @ 19:57:53

    You made a good point but this whole point can lead us into another debate. Have you noticed how many times do we spend money in life for our pleasures that we can spend on the improvement of our fellow citizens? Also this ritual can help the fellow citizens too, as we can distribute meat among the poor.

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    • Aftab S. Alam
      May 20, 2012 @ 15:09:34

      Sorry for taking this long to respond. Now, without getting into too much of negative debate, I just wish to repeat my point. In my view, spending money on “our pleasure” is fine as long as it stays within the realm of reason. Howver, helping those among us who are less privilege can also be a great pleasure and a way of thanking our lucky stars support us and help us win this ‘lottery of our birth’. After all what we, anyone, contributes towards his birth or what is the failing of those of us whose birth forced the hardships on them—–I supose none on the part of either. In a situation like this, I guess, the only decent course should be, or could be for those of us who think, to show solidarity with people who need help now. I think it’s a matter of priority, what is preferable helping others now, even if it is at the cost of following this “ritual” of sacrificing lives of animals or give that money to those who can use it as they wish. “Distributing meat among the poor” is good thing and can be done on regular basis by sharing with them what we consume regularly—–this is a good and healthy way of eating anyways. Now, forgive me if I’m being too contrarian here.

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    • Aftab S. Alam
      May 21, 2012 @ 00:38:52

      Must confess! Came back here expecting a comment / rebuttal whatever and on re-reading my own comment, just realized that it must be rewritten to make any sense. So let me try again.

      Forgive me if I’m being too contrarian here.
      Without getting into any negative arguments, let me just repeat my point about helping the needy over the ritual of sacrifice by slaughtering animals on Eid. In my view, spending money, our ‘earned’ money, on “our pleasure” is fine as long as it stays within the the realm of reason. However, helping those less privileged among us can also be a great pleasure and a way of thanking our lucky stars for winning this ‘lottery of our birth’. After all what anyone contributes towards her/his birth. What is the failing of those of us whose birth forced the hardships on them—–I suppose none. In a situation like this, I guess, the only decent course should be, or could be for thinking people, to show solidarity with people who need help here and now. I think it’s a matter of priority, and what we prefer—- helping others now, even if it is at the cost of following this “ritual” of sacrificing lives of animals or give that money to those who can use it as they wish. “Distributing meat among the poor” is good thing and can be done on regular basis in our everyday lives by sharing with them what we consume regularly—–this is a good and healthy way of eating anyways. Hope it makes more sense now — does it?

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  3. amerbail
    May 22, 2012 @ 05:21:35

    umm i am not sure if i completely got you, but i guess what you’re trying to say is if the purpose of the ritual is to help the poor then it can be done on regular basis. It doesn’t have to have a specific occasion to that, am i right?

    If yes, then i guess you have your opinion and i have mine. I still don’t see a problem with this occasion or the ritual. Don’t forget that the occasion is about how a prophet was ready to sacrifice his own son for the love of God, and God replaced the prophet’s son with an animal. It’s really not just about slaughtering the animal ONLY. It’s much more than that. And again my point was that if a vegetarian opposes this ritual then it makes sense, otherwise it doesn’t make sense to me at least. Because again, animals are slaughtered daily worldwide, and not to forget thanks giving which also includes slaughtering an animal. Nobody has a problem with it?

    But you are entitled to your own opinion, i appreciate that you tried to clarify your point.

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    • Aftab S. Alam
      May 22, 2012 @ 14:30:04

      I guess what I’m saying is simply what you just said that “it’s really not just about salughtering an animal….. it is much more than this……” Right. This is it, the salughtering is just symbolic sacrifice and just a ritual to remind us the acts of M/s. Abraham & Ismail & co. of course in the name of God and His calling. Fine. Was the idea not to tell us that God likes our willingness and preparedness to sacrifice in his name? Going back to why I would wish us to save that money which we waste on salughtering animals en masseput and put it some kind of trust (Billions actually!) some money making enterprise, and let it work and generate some revenues which could be used to finance projects to help the needy people with education as well as fnancing small enterprises, microfince, on Qard-e-Hasana model. Do it only as long as it is absolutely required and once the society in general has consolidated itself and becomes reasonably self-sufficient then we can go back and start following the ritual again. Do you think it too outrageous an idea?

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  4. Aftab S. Alam
    May 22, 2012 @ 14:35:14

    Yes, one more thin. I’m not opposed to this salughtering of animals because of any special love for them or any notion of cruelty etc. I simply oppose this for shear wastage of our meagre resources on such symbolism. I simply prefer spending this money to alleviate human sufferings and be there and sahre it and show solidarity with less fortunate people.

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    • amerbail
      May 25, 2012 @ 16:43:37

      Makes sense, but Qurbani is mandatory on anyone who can afford it. Anyways it’s your choice if you choose to do it or not.

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      • Aftab S. Alam
        Jun 11, 2012 @ 15:16:23

        Yes, it is “mandatory” but only if we can afford it. How can we, you and I, justify it simply on the basis of our personal-financial circumstances when our nation, a vast majourity is living a sub-human life without access to even clean water or education or basic medical care, when most are under nourished, hardly clothed or housed. Yes, we can collectively live in a state of sacrifice and wait for “Qurbani” until all ot most of us can say that life is worth living. Once there then by all means we can meat this obligation and I’m sure that God will not be angry or reject our reallistic and down to earth approach to “Qurbani”. You can not behave virtuously or pretend a life of righteousness in the hope of heavenly rewards and simply ignore your responsibilities towards other humanbeings, especially when they share the same country and part of the same society.

  5. amerbail
    Jun 11, 2012 @ 22:25:23

    I guess you are right.

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  6. snawaz
    Dec 25, 2012 @ 10:01:05

    >>The first thought that came to my mind was that, are they vegetarians? If not then what’s the point of blaming this occasion alone for animal slaughter?

    In my opinion, even if they’re vegetarians, their hue and cry would still be pointless.

    Plants are also living things, is one argument that many usually come up with. But I would not choose that argument here, for I know that vegetables don’t grow in a thin air. They grow in fields; during a single season, several types of chemicals and hundreds type of pesticides, insecticides and fungicides are used. What exactly are they used for? Well, they’re poisons of different kinds, each of them is used to kill different types of insects and small animals whose dwelling places are the fields, some live at the surfaces and others under it, at different levels. The pesticides kill all of them in a single season.

    Besides, there are also other adverse effects of pesticides which is even more dangerous : it makes the whole earth along its environment poisonous, which manifests as a different types of diseases, in animals as well as in humans.

    See this wiki entry:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pesticides

    Hope that gives a different dimension to your though-process. 🙂

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  7. amerbail
    Dec 27, 2012 @ 21:08:25

    Very true, i didn’t think about it this way. There are so many other arguments that can be made, such as animals feeding upon insects, big fishes eating smaller fishes, isn’t that animal brutality lol. Anyway thanks for visiting my blog.

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  8. snawaz
    Dec 30, 2012 @ 12:10:52

    My argument was a more like Veg vs Non-Veg, whereas this “big fishes eating small fishes” is an argument for food-chain, and where each of the species stands on it.

    Anyway, since you brought this in here, I would like to draw your attention to this picture. Have a look at it:

    As you can see, the picture depicts a tiger chasing a deer, in order to hunt it. If you ask a person: who is the victim? and who is the villain? To most people, the answer is obvious; they would not even think twice before answering that “obviously, deer is the victim and tiger is the villain”.

    “Excuse me, what will the tiger eat if it doesn’t hunt down the deer? Why do you feel sorry for the deer but not for the tiger? Just because it has sharp teeth and powerful claws? The tiger doesn’t need your consideration? Why exactly?”

    Yes. The answer is NOT obvious to me. It all comes to one simple rule of nature : FOOD-CHAIN. There is no hero, no villain, no victim, in the nature. Everyone struggles to survive, including humans, whether they eat veg or non-veg, is a matter of position where humans stand on the food-chain.

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